Showing posts with label Empanelment. Show all posts
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30 July 2011

TTD CA Empanlement

Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanams has given advertisement in The Hindu Business Line for Empanlement of Chartered Accounting Firm for undertaking Accounting activities of TDS- see attachment.

08 February 2011

IndianCAs: ICAI has signed historic arrangment with CICA Canadian Institute of CA

 

Dear Member,
 
ICAI has signed historic arrangment with CICA Canadian Institute of CA for membership recognition on 7th Feb., 2011.
Further arragments for the details shall be available on ICAI website shortly.


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12 January 2011

IndianCAs: Opportunities for CA Firms

Tenders & Assignment

Jammu Development Authority

Description : Chartered Accountants for conversion of Present cash based single entry into accrual based double entry system.

Last Date : 12/01/2011

Address :Jammu Development Authority
Vikas Bhawan Rail,Head Complex, Jammu

Phone :0191-2471976

Municipal Corporation

Description : Outsourcing of the registered Chartered Accountant firms for under taking accounting reforms for a period of one year.

Last Date : 13/01/2011

Address :Office of The Municipality
Birmitrapur Orissa India.

Jharkhand Academic Council

Description : Expression of Interest for Chartered Accountant Firms.

Last Date : 18/01/2011

Address :Gyandeep Campus, Bargawan,
Namkum, Ranchi – 834010.

Phone :0651-6453342, 6453343

State Blood Transfusion Council

Description : Appointment of Agencies on Contract Basis-Account, Audit Firm.

Last Date : 18/01/2011

Address :State Blood Transfusion Council
Ravindra Annex Building,5th Floor,194,Dinshaw Vaccha Road,Churchgate Reclamation, Mumbai-400020.

Phone :22830216

West Bengal Renewable Energy Development Agency

Description : Expression of interest for Reputed Chartered Accountant firm for Doing internal audit & accounts of WBREDA.

Last Date : 20/01/2011

Address :WBREDA, Bikalpa Shakti Bhavan,Plot No. J-1/10, EP & GP-Block, Sector-V, Salt Lake Electronics Complex, West Bengal Kolkata-700091.

Department Of Higher Education

Description : Expression of interest for preparation of panel of Chartered Accountants to audit the accounts of national service scheme for the year 2008-09 & 2009-10.

Last Date : 20/01/2011

Address :State Liaison Officer-Cum-Deputy Secretary to Government, Higher Education Department, Orrisa Secretarial, Bhubaneswar.

Regional Training Centre

Description : Contract for Audit Work for Regional Rural Development Training Centre.

Last Date : 21/01/2011

Address :Regional Training Centre
Chhatarpur, Gwalior, Madhya Pradesh, India.

Dakshin Haryana Bijli Vitran Nigam Limited

Description : Engagement for carrying out of audit of accountal of cheques received at various sub division under Op division.

Last Date : 24/01/2011

Address :CHIEF GENERAL MANAGER/AUDIT
DAKSHIN HARYANA BIJLI VITRAN NIGAM LTD.
VIDYUT SADAN, VIDYUT NAGAR,
HISAR –125005.

Phone :01662-223128

E-Mail :chiefauditordhbvn@gmail.com

Maharashtra Electricity Regulatory Commission

Description : Invites from the qualified & experienced consultancy firms registered with the institute of Chartered Accountant for Assisting the commission in various financial issues .

Last Date : 25/01/2011

Address :Maharashtra Electricity Regulatory Commission 13th floor, Centre no.1, World Trade Centre, Cuffe Parade,Colaba, Mumbai-400005.

Phone :(022) 22163964

E-Mail :mercindia@mercindia.org.in

M M T C Limited

Description : Application For Internal Audit Assignment For F.Y. 2011-12.

Last Date : 10/02/2011

Address :The Dy.General Manager(IA),
Internal Audit Division, MMTC Limited
Core-1, SCOPE Complex, 7, Institutional Area, Lodhi Road, New Delhi-110003.

Comptroller And Auditor General Of India

Description : Empanelment of Chartered Accountant firms for the year 2011-2012.

Last Date : 31/03/2011

Address :The Comptroller and Auditor General of India 10, Bahadur Shah Zafar Marg, New Delhi- 110124.

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05 January 2011

CAG Empanelment-2011-12

The online panel for empanelment with the office of the CAG of India for allotment of audit of Public Sector Undertakings/Statutory Corporations for the year 2011-2012, is hosted at http://cagofindia.delhi.nic.in/caapplication/

Please also read the "Policy of Empanelment of CA Firms and Selection of Auditors of PSUs". A very important change was made in the definition of "Full Time FCA".



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Best Wishes

CA. V.M.V.SUBBA RAO
Chartered Accountant
Door No.24-2-1885,
I Floor, Flat No.5,
Siddivinayaka Residency, I Cross,
Central Avenue, MSR Nagar,
Magunta Layout,
Nellore-524 003
Andhra Pradesh
India
Mobile:+91 - 0 9390221100
           +91 - 0 9440278412
e-Mail: vmvsr@rediffmail.com
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06 October 2010

FIRMS QUALIFYIING FOR MAJOR AUDIT FOR 2010-2011

FIRMS QUALIFYIING FOR MAJOR AUDIT FOR 2010-2011(C & AG) - SEE ATACHMENT

 

 



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Best Wishes

CA. V.M.V.SUBBA RAO
Chartered Accountant
Door No.24-2-1885,
I Floor, Flat No.5,
Siddivinayaka Residency, I Cross,
Central Avenue, MSR Nagar,
Magunta Layout,
Nellore-524 003
Andhra Pradesh
India
Mobile:+91 - 0 9390221100
           +91 - 0 9440278412
e-Mail: vmvsr@rediffmail.com
           vmvsr@yahoo.co.uk
http://pdicai.org/MyPage/203038.aspx

03 August 2010

Request for Proposal for Empanelment of Chartered Accountant Firms [1 Attachment]

Dear All,
Find attached Request for Proposal for Empanelment of Chartered Accountant Firms for Implementation of Accrual Based Double Entry Accounting System in 159 Municipalities of Gujarat.
City Managers' Association Gujarat on behalf of GMFB invites RFP from the eligible firm to carry out the work of Accrual Based Double Entry Accounting System in 159 Municipalities of Gujarat. The category wise / District wise list of municipalities appended herewith at Appendix - A. The allocation of municipalities will be done on the basis of the location of CA Firms. (Annexure – 8). You are therefore, requested to submit RFP offer. Your offer must be written in English. All pages of your offer must be properly numbered and initialed by you or your authorized officer. Along with the RFP the Earnest Money Deposit amounting to Rs.25,000/- ( Rupees Twenty Five Thousands only) shall have to be paid in form of Demand Draft of any Schedule Bank except Co-operative Bank. DD shall be in favour of "City Managers' Association Gujarat Ahmedabad."
1
Date from which Tender Document available
Date: 03/08/2010
2
Last Date of Submission
Date: 31/08/2010
3
Date of opening of offers RFP (Technical Bids)
Date: 01/09/2010

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04 May 2010

MEF Hosted for 2010-11


Multipurpose Empanelment Form for the year 2010-11 - (04-05-2010)
Multipurpose Empanelment Application Form for the year 2010-11 would be hosted on www.meficai.org as per following schedule:

Hosting of on line MEF application form for the year 2010-11 on the website www.meficai.org 1st May, 2010
Last date of submission of the MEF form for the year 2010-11 15th June, 2010 (05.30 PM)
Last date of receipt of duly signed declaration 30th June, 2010


A hard copy of the Declaration duly signed by all partners/ proprietor/ member practising in individual name accompanied by a print of the e-mail acknowledging submission of MEF must be sent to ICAI by courier/speed post/hand delivery at ICAI Bhawan, Indraprastha Marg, New Delhi – 110 002 in an envelope superscribed with the words "DECLARATION FOR MEF 2010-11" so as to reach on or before 30th June, 2010.

Further, we may inform that this year, up to 10% of the applicants (selected randomly from the list of applicants of MEF 2010-11) would be called for to submit following documents:
  • (Latest) Financial Statements of the firm
  • Partnership deed in vogue and as on 1st January,2010
  • Copy of acknowledgement of (latest) Income Tax Returns of the firm and partners
  • Copy of computation of income of the of the firm and partners (latest)
  • Copy of (latest) Assessment Order of the of the firm and partners

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    Best Wishes

    CA. V.M.V.SUBBA RAO
    Chartered Accountant
    Door No.24-2-1885,
    I Floor, Flat No.5,
    Siddivinayaka Residency, I Cross,
    Central Avenue, MSR Nagar,
    Magunta Layout,
    Nellore-524 003
    Andhra Pradesh
    India
    Mobile:+91 - 0 9390221100
              +91 - 0 9440278412
    e-Mail: vmvsr@rediffmail.com
              vmvsr@yahoo.co.uk
    http://pdicai.org/MyPage/203038.aspx

    03 April 2010

    Is current Bank Audit Allotment Procedure Just, Fair and Transparent?

    Are you disappointed with current Bank Audit allotment process? Let us discuss. Write your comments, compliants and suggestions on this wall.

    25 March 2010

    Web based registration of Chartered Accountant firms for empanelment for Concurrent Audit assignment for the year 2010 - 11

    Dear sir,                                                                                                   

     

     

    Ref : Web based registration of Chartered Accountant firms for empanelment for Concurrent Audit assignment for the year 2010 - 11

     

    We have pleasure in informing you that our Bank has invited online applications for empanelment for Concurrent Audit assignment for the year 2010 - 11. The registration for the same will be open on our website www.denabank.com from 25.03.10 to 15.04.10. The details of the same are available on our website .

     

    This is for your information.

     

    Dy. General Manager
    Inspection and Internal Audit Department,
    4th floor, 17, Horniman Circle, Fort,
    Mumbai -23

    29 December 2009

    CAG Empanelment Notice

    OFFICE OF THE COMPTROLLER AND AUDITOR GENERAL OF INDIA

    10, BAHADUR SHAH ZAFAR MARG, NEW DELHI 110124

     

     

    Empanelment of Chartered Accountant firms for the year 2010-2011

             

    Applications are invited online from the firms of Chartered Accountants who intend to be empanelled with this office for the year 2010-2011 for appointment as auditors of Government Companies/Corporations.

     

    The format of application along-with detailed instructions regarding the documents to be furnished will be available on our website: www.cag.gov.in from 1st January to 15th February 2010.

     

    The last date for the receipt of specified documents in this office is 10th March 2010.

     

    Only the firms who apply online and send the specified documents to this office by the due dates will be considered for empanelment.

             

     

    Sd/-

     (K P Sasidharan)

                                                                       Director General (Commercial)



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    Best Wishes

    CA. V.M.V.SUBBA RAO
    Chartered Accountant
    Door No.24-2-1885,
    I Floor, Flat No.5,
    Siddivinayaka Residency, I Cross,
    Central Avenue, MSR Nagar,
    Magunta Layout,
    Nellore-524 003
    Andhra Pradesh
    India
    Mobile:+91 - 0 9390221100
              +91 - 0 9440278412
    e-Mail: vmvsr@rediffmail.com
              vmvsr@yahoo.co.uk
    http://pdicai.org/MyPage/203038.aspx

    18 December 2009

    Bank Audit Empanelment Announcement

    Important Announcement on Empanelment for the year 2010-11 - (17-12-2009)
    The Council of the Institute at its 242nd meeting held in April, 2004 had decided that there shall be a cut off date for condonation of cases for empanelment purposes as on 1st January and the cases received beyond the cut off date will not be considered for condonation. Accordingly, members may note as under:

    "For the purposes of Empanelment in the panel prepared by Office of C&AG and Bank Branch Auditors' Panel prepared by ICAI (for which Constitution Certificates as on 1st January are issued every year); no condonation of delay in submission of Form No. 18 beyond 31st January preceding the financial year under audit (e.g. 31st January, 2010 for empanelment for the year 2010-11) will be done by the Institute".



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    Best Wishes

    CA. V.M.V.SUBBA RAO
    Chartered Accountant
    Door No.24-2-1885,
    I Floor, Flat No.5,
    Siddivinayaka Residency, I Cross,
    Central Avenue, MSR Nagar,
    Magunta Layout,
    Nellore-524 003
    Andhra Pradesh
    India
    Mobile:+91 - 0 9390221100
              +91 - 0 9440278412
    e-Mail: vmvsr@rediffmail.com
              vmvsr@yahoo.co.uk
    http://pdicai.org/MyPage/203038.aspx

    23 September 2009

    ROC Empanelment

    Announcement for panel for outsourcing of work of Technical Scrutiny of Balance Sheets - (23-09-2009)

    ANNOUNCEMENT

     

    Sub: Announcement for panel for outsourcing of work of Technical Scrutiny of Balance Sheets

     

                The Institute has received an Office Memorandum (OM) from the Ministry of Corporate Affairs. As per the OM, the Registrar of Companies will prepare a panel of professionals for Technical Scrutiny of Balance Sheets filled by the Companies for the State concerned.

     

                The Scheme of outsourcing the work will be for the financial year 2009-10.  The details of the Scheme specifying the eligibility criteria, mode of application, Procedure to be followed by the ROC for outsourcing of work, is provided in the Office Memorandum issued by the Ministry. 

     

                The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India while appreciating the initiative taken by the Ministry for ensuring good corporate governance and transparency for safeguarding the interest of the shareholders, creditors and the economy as a whole wishes to provide professional expertise of its members to the Registrar of Companies.  For the purpose, it has been decided to prepare a panel of the members of the Institute and send the same to the Ministry.

                           

    Procedure for Registration for the empanelment:

                Members fulfilling the eligibility and intending to empanel themselves may submit their application in Empanelment Form. After verification, the same will be included in the panel and forwarded to the Ministry of Corporate Affairs.

                                     

    For any further clarification, the members can contact:

    Secretary, Corporate Laws Committee

    The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India

    ICAI Bhawan, Indraprastha Marg

    New Delhi-110002

    Tel. No. 011-30110471

    E-mail: corpoartelaws@icai.in / skgarg@icai.in



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    CA. V.M.V.SUBBA RAO
    Chartered Accountant
    Door No.24-2-1885,
    I Floor, Flat No.5,
    Siddivinayaka Residency, I Cross,
    Central Avenue, MSR Nagar,
    Magunta Layout,
    Nellore-524 003
    Andhra Pradesh
    India
    Mobile:+91 - 0 9390221100
               +91 - 0 9440278412
    e-Mail: vmvsr@rediffmail.com
               vmvsr@yahoo.co.uk

    14 August 2008

    Multipurpose Empanelment Form is hosted


    Multipurpose Empanelment Form is hosted on
    www.meficai. org

    Last Date for submission 15 th sept 2008.

    Hard copy acknowledgement should reach by 25 sept 2008


    Download Multipurpose Empanelment Form (MEF) for the year 2008-09
    http://www.meficai. org/verify2. jsp

    Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) related to Empanelment Form


    Q1.
    From where do I get the Form for application for empanelment for Bank Branch Auditor’s Panel? Frequently
    Ans.
    Please visit website
    http://www.meficai. org/. Guidance in this regard is provided in 'Instructions and Applicant Guide' and ‘Technical Manual’ , which can also be downloaded from the same site.
    Q2.
    What programs should I have in computer for filling up the Form?
    Ans.
    Following programs are required:

    1. WINDOWS 98/2000/XP/VISTA
    2.
    ADOBE ACROBAT READER (5.0 or above)
    3.
    WINZIP
    4.
    INTERNET EXPLORER 6.0 or later version
    If you do not have 2,3,4, you can download them by clicking on the names of the programs above. These are also available on the website
    http://www.meficai. org/ where the Form is hosted.
    Q3.
    Why is my Firm Registration No./Membership No. not being accepted?
    Ans.
    Membership No. should be of 6 digits. If required, prefix `0' [Zero(es)]. If your Membership No. is ‘12345’, fill ‘012345’
    Firm registration no. should be of 7 characters (six numerals and one alphabetical suffix). If required, prefix `0' [Zero(es)], e.g. for firm registration no. `12345N', please fill-up `012345N'."Guidance in this regard is also provided in
    'Instructions and Applicant Guide'
    Q4.
    I do not have Unique Code Number. How do I obtain it?
    Ans.
    Unique Code Number is allotted when the application for the empanelment for Bank Branch Auditors' Panel is accepted for the first time. New applicants or those whose numbers are not available in the ICAI database, will be allotted new Unique Code Numbers during the process of preparation of panel for the year 2008-09. The same will be intimated by email when the Panel is finalised. In case of first time applicants or in cases where the Number is not available in ICAI records, “NOT ALLOTTED” will be displayed in the box for ‘Unique Code No.’. Where it is allotted in the past and is available in the ICAI database, the same will be displayed in this box. For more details please refer Section ‘C’ of Instruction & Application Guide.
    Q5.
    Why am I not able to fill some of the entries/annexures after downloading the Form?
    Ans.
    Please check whether you have all the required programs as mentioned at FAQ No 2. It is necessary to have all these programs to fill up the Form.
    Q6.
    Why am I getting a message titled “Error 500” on trying to download the MEF?

    Ans.
    Please disconnect the Internet, connect again and fill-up the complete name of the website for downloading the Form. The complete name of the website on which the Form is hosted is
    http://www.meficai. org/
    Q7.
    When we are filling up MEF, the program gets terminated automatically intimating performance of an illegal operation. What is the solution?
    Ans.
    The mshtml.dll file is corrupted or missing from your system. Please follow the below mentioned steps to rectify the said problem (as suggested by microsoft corporation) .Error:IExplore Caused an Invalid Page Fault in Module Mshtml.dllTranslation:If you are attempting to use Microsoft Internet Explorer, you may see this error message if the Dynamic Link Library file, Mshtml.dll, is corrupted or missing.Solution:Internet Explorer uses Mshtml.dll to render Web pages, so you need it to access the Internet effectively. You will need to replace the Mshtml.dll file on your computer using the System File Checker tool and your Windows 98 installation CD.
    Exit and close any programs you have running and insert the Win98 installation disc in the CD drive. At the Start menu, select Programs, Accessories, and System Tools. Select System Information. Go to the Tools menu and select System File Checker and click OK. When System File Checker appears, select Extract One File From Installation Disk. In the Specify The System File You Want To Restore field, type mshtml.dll and click Start. In the Extract File dialog box, type d:\win98 (if d:\ is the letter name of your CD drive) in the Restore From field. Click OK. You'll then see a Backup File dialog box; click OK. If a message appears that says, "The backup folder does not exist, do you want to create it?" click Yes. When the extraction process ends, click Yes to restart the computer.
    Q8.
    Can we download the MEF again?
    Ans.
    Yes, the applicant can download MEF again after deleting the previously downloaded MEF. The applicant will receive the same MEF Application No.
    Q9.
    What is the last date to fill up and submit the MEF?

    Ans.
    The last date for submission of application on the website is 12th September, 2008 and the last date for receipt of duly signed hard copy of Declaration (alongwith the acknowledgement of electronic submission of application received by e-mail) at the following address is 22nd September, 2008:

    The Secretary,
    Professional Development Committee,
    The Institute of Chartered Accountants of India
    ’ICAI Bhawan’
    Indraprastha Marg
    New Delhi –110002.
    Q10.
    I had not applied for the panel last year i.e. 2007-08. However, Unique Code Number has already been allotted to me in earlier years. But I am unable to fill the same in the Multipurpose Empanelment Application Form for this year and only the words 'NOT ALLOTTED' is displayed there and its a non-editable field.
    Ans.
    Incase, the applicant had not applied for the panel last year but had been allotted a Unique Code Number in the earlier years, the applicant is requested to mention the same in Memorandum of Changes column provided in the main form of the MEF. However, in the declaration, the applicant may mention the Unique Code Number at the designated place. The same will be considered during the preparation of the panel at the Institute's end.
    Q11.
    When I download the Form, it does not indicate the name – it is blank. How do I go about it?

    Ans
    Pl open the Index file with Internet Explorer only and not with any other program like Firefox etc.You may go through the Frequently Asked Questions related to Empanelment Form, Instruction and Applicant Guide and Technical Manual which can be downloaded from the site www.meficai. org for further guidance.
    Q12.
    I had applied for empanelment last year. Do I have to fill the Form again ?
    Ans.
    Yes. You are required to fill in the Form again.
    Q13.
    I had applied for empanelment last year but I do not remember my UCN. What should I do?
    Ans.
    UCN, as available in the record of the ICAI, will be displayed automatically in the fields displayed in the Form.
    Q14.
    Getting following error(s) on clicking the link “Download Multipurpose Empanelment Form”:
    Error: 500Location: /step1.jspInternal Servlet Error:java.io.FileNotFoun dException: D:\tomcat\webapps\ ROOT\step1. jspat org.apache.jasper. compiler. JspReader. pushFile(JspReader.java: 214)at org.apache.jasper. compiler. JspReader. pushFile(JspReader.java: 165)at org.apache.jasper. compiler. JspReader.(JspReader. java:283)at org.apache.jasper. compiler. JspReader. createJspReader(JspReader.java: 289)at org.apache.jasper. compiler. Compiler. compile(Compiler.java: 159)at org.apache.tomcat. facade.JasperLia ison.jsp2java( JspInterceptor. java:636)
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    Ans.
    Please use
    http://www.meficai. org and NOT http://meficai. org/.
    Q15.
    I do not have branch (
    es) but, I am unable to fill “Nil” in Annexure C.
    Ans.
    You need not fill Annexure C at all in such cases. Value ‘0’ will itself flow to the database.
    Q16.
    I have applied for Certificate of Practice on 2nd July 2008. Whether I am eligible for applying for the Panel for the year 2008-09?
    Ans.
    The status of the applicant as on 01.01.2008 is to be considered for Empanelment Form 2008-09, therefore, you are not eligible to apply for the Panel for the year 2008-09.
    Q17.
    I have not received the Acknowledgement E-mail. What should I do to receive the acknowledgement?

    Ans.
    Please go to the Section ‘ download acknowledgement “ in the main page and download the acknowledgement or visit the link
    http://www.meficai. org/mymefstatus. jsp and download the acknowledgement mail.
    Q18.
    All the partners who were partners on 1.1.2008 are now not partners. Whether the retired partners should also sign the Form?
    Ans.
    Only the continuing partners are required to sign the Form. Please see the declaration which reads as follows:"The declaration should be signed by the individual /proprietor in case of sole proprietary concern and by all continuing partners (from out of the partners as on 01.01.2008) as on the date of the application in case of a partnership firm. The credit/points will be given only for those continuing partners who have signed the declaration. The credit/points for the partners who have joined subsequent to 01.01.2008 will not be given."

    Q19.
    I am a Fellow member of the Institute w.e.f. 23-04-2008 . Whether I have to fill up FCA or ACA in Annexure A ?
    Ans.
    The position is to be filled in as on 1.1.2008. So if you were an ACA on that date, you need to fill in ACA.

    07 August 2008

    Announcement reagrding MEF for the year 2008-09

    Announcement reagrding MEF for the year 2008-09
    Multipurpose Empanelment Application Form for the year 2008-09

    Multipurpose Empanelment Application Form for the year 2008-09 is expected to be hosted by 12th August 2008.

    Everyone is advised to check their last year's data and fill in all the blank columns and the relevant details. This is for your own safety and benefit.

    New applicants should of course, fill in all the details of the form.

    Empanelment of Concurrent Auditors

    Empanelment of Concurrent Auditors / Revenue Auditors for Bank of Maharashtra. BANK OF MAHARASHTRA invites applications from practicing firm...